Japanese crossword «Rake»
| Size: 23x15 | Picture: | Difficulty: | Added: | 15.06.19 | Author: Arina |
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All of the brown 1s and 2s should have been a big hint for you. ;-)
replyIt's actually very easy to solve and I didn't guess but okay...
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The way to solve this one is to check which colors have to go in certain spaces. Once you get the blue and gray part complete, where can you place the lighter brown square in Column 14? You'll find there's only one space where that can go, and you can go from there.
it looks like an optical illusion to me,
replyis it facing forwards or backward?
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The computer program they use assures that every puzzle on the site is solvable without guessing, but I couldn't figure out how to start. Once I guessed the first bit though it was relatively easy. A very nice puzzle. I love the pictures of every day objects that really capture the essence.
replyDidn't have to guess. just figure out the 2's starting with gold brown very easy
replyI used the hints. I couldn't figure out how to solve the handle.
replyI think what people mean by it requiring guessing is that you can't start this with counting logic; you must use inference logic. You must infer what must happen with the yellow & orange spaces. It feels like guessing.
I did try to solve this via the counting method. You can finish the grey/blue section in the bottom-right via counting logic, but you absolutely cannot solve the top-left that way. You must infer, starting with the light orange color in the top. Again, it IS a form of logic, but it's not the typical logic used for these puzzles. Doable, but it can feel like a guess if you like to trust in numbers.
replyI did try to solve this via the counting method. You can finish the grey/blue section in the bottom-right via counting logic, but you absolutely cannot solve the top-left that way. You must infer, starting with the light orange color in the top. Again, it IS a form of logic, but it's not the typical logic used for these puzzles. Doable, but it can feel like a guess if you like to trust in numbers.
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As other people I guessed the handle. Love the shading!
I totally agree with FellHarbor: the top-left part must be guessed. Quite intuitive, but, except for the two farthest parts, it MUST be guessed.
Those who say that they didn't need to guess, please post the solution (conveniently spoilered, obviously).
replyThose who say that they didn't need to guess, please post the solution (conveniently spoilered, obviously).
It is very simple once you find what you need to do. Besides, all the nonograms in this site are solvable without guessing, so please don't go around making stuff like that. Just assume that you couldn't do it logically...
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The handle does not need to be guessed, it is an "if then" type of logic. Based on the clues, the light gold must be on top of the dark gold. This comes from the clue at the upper left that shows 2 light gold, and all of the clues across the top which show 1 light over 1 dark gold.
Based on these clues, the light gold must start in the first two squares of the top row, otherwise the dark gold would end up over the light gold violating the rule established in the top clues of 1 light over 1 dark. As you finish row 1, it follows that the light gold in row 2 must be in columns 3 and 4, etc, in order to maintain light over dark.
To test this logic, try the reverse. If the top row had light gold in any other squares except for the first two, dark gold would end up on top in at least one of the columns. Thus logic dictates the top row squares 1 and 2 must be light gold. Hope that helps!
Based on these clues, the light gold must start in the first two squares of the top row, otherwise the dark gold would end up over the light gold violating the rule established in the top clues of 1 light over 1 dark. As you finish row 1, it follows that the light gold in row 2 must be in columns 3 and 4, etc, in order to maintain light over dark.
To test this logic, try the reverse. If the top row had light gold in any other squares except for the first two, dark gold would end up on top in at least one of the columns. Thus logic dictates the top row squares 1 and 2 must be light gold. Hope that helps!
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Another way to start is to just look at the first column. You need a light gold square in that column, and the only row that can have a light gold in that column is row 1. That fills in row 1. Then look at row 2 - you need a dark gold, and now the only columns that can have dark gold are columns 1 and 2. The rest uses similar types of logic, switching back and forth from looking at rows and columns.
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I didn’t have to guess. I did the blue part first. Then, after thinking about it for a few minutes, I realized there was only one option for the browns since they don’t overlap.
Of course it can be solved without guessing. It's not even very hard. It *is* a little unusual, so I can see why it may initially *seem* like guessing is required, but in fact it can be solved the same way any other nonogram that doesn't require guessing can be solved: Keep track of which colors are possible for each cell, and examine each row and column in turn, repeatedly, to refine that information until only one possibility remains for each cell.
As has been pointed out, *none* of the puzzles on this site require guessing. Their solvability checker rejects puzzles that do. To the people who insist it can't be solved without guessing, you seem to be drawing the conclusion that just because *you* can't solve it without guessing, no one can. That conclusion is unfounded, and incorrect.
replyAs has been pointed out, *none* of the puzzles on this site require guessing. Their solvability checker rejects puzzles that do. To the people who insist it can't be solved without guessing, you seem to be drawing the conclusion that just because *you* can't solve it without guessing, no one can. That conclusion is unfounded, and incorrect.
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I agree with Tom_Karzes. It took a bit of figuring out where to start but once you calculate the logic, it can be started without guessing and then it was relatively straightforward. It just takes patience is all. This puzzle categorically be completed without guesswork, just concentrate harder.
replyI had a tough time starting this one -- even had to start over once -- but it came together beautifully.
replyAlas, I had to guess despite the puzzle is rather simple. I really learned a lot from the discussion, especially from Robotkim's remarks.And a lot of thanks to Arina. What a pleasure !
replyChallenging! And provoked such an interesting discussion! I Started with the dark blue and it was pure logic after that.
replyNo guessing needed for that handle. There's only one place where the top left light brown squares can go, and that's at the very top left. You can then cross out the next 12 squares to the right since no more light brown in the top row.
For the 2nd row, there's only one place where the two dark brown squares can go. This pattern continues until the entire handle is complete.
replyFor the 2nd row, there's only one place where the two dark brown squares can go. This pattern continues until the entire handle is complete.